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The current installment of the COEC began meeting in 2007.

We are currently on a "break," for no particular reason, and many little reasons - mostly pertaining to life circumstances. If anyone is interested in calling a meeting, feel free to post on the blog, join the google group (see link below) and send an email, or contact either Nancy (nancykj10@yahoo.com) or Jesse (schroeder.jesse@gmail.com) for more information.

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12.09.2007

Show of Hands

First of all, let us apologize for the length of this post. The amount of things to say perhaps pushes us over blogging etiquette, but so be it.

The purpose of this post is to determine if there is interest in forming a more committed and serious Columbus cohort that could potentially, for those that so desired, serve the function of a church. Just to keep things in order, we’re going to post why we think this might be needed and how it might look.

Why do this? – There are a few reasons that we see, resting primarily on a lack of this type of institution in the Columbus area. We feel that there is a portion of the population that the Emergent movement could speak to particularly well and demonstrate the love of Jesus. There are many, many churches in the area that serve other slices of this city’s population, contain a congregation that is experiencing spiritual growth, and are reaching out to some sort of local “mission field.” However, we have not yet found a place that seems both spiritually alive and doesn’t consider emergent ideas heretical. We have not found anything like this in the area, although admittedly we have not looked everywhere. Also, many of our own lost or disenfranchised friends would have great difficulty searching for God in the church options this area currently provides. It seems, though, that many of these people might feel open and curious in an emerging-church environment. We can get more specific if people would like, but we suspect that other people have experienced similar things as well. That being said I (Nick speaking) regularly receive emails from people asking, “where are the emergent churches in Columbus?” I have to respond that there aren’t really any, but here are some churches that we know of that emergent-ers seem to find tolerable, and then end by welcoming them to attend one of our discussion groups. I believe that there is a strong demand for a church that is built on emergent ideas in the community and although we would begin very small, we could soon grow in number.

All that being said we do not necessarily believe a “house church” is the final word on the solution to this problem. Jane and I desire to see this potential house church grow someday into a church with its own building and a great enough number of people attending it to really allow the church to impact the community around it. We, meaning this cohort, have had some great conversation about this lately. Basically, if there was already an emergent church in Columbus, whatever that might look like, then this particular movement would likely not be needed This group would function as a house church at first, and likely for a long period of time, but primarily due to numbers and the lack of a facility. However, if at any time we are large enough in number to justify a move we believe that should only occur through lengthy debate, appeals to the Spirit, and near consensus with the group.

What would it look like? – It would take the shape that the members conceived, though we believe there are a few basic guidelines that could lead the group. We are presenting these here as brainstorming topics, something that must be discussed by the group as a whole. A few of our ideas are, in no particular order:

A fluid and minimal hierarchy – as purely Spirit-lead as possible
An open-mindedness to postmodern ideas
Some sort of occasional liturgy or worship element
Actively appealing to the Columbus community, both in terms of spreading
the word about what we’re doing as well as serving it
A group that still places primacy on the work and teachings of Jesus
Christ

As far as function goes we have some basic ideas that also need to be discussed at length. Basically we can foresee three different types of meetings that would occur within a month. They are:
Twice a month a discussion group much like what we have now (which we originally desired to hold twice a month). This could be about any topic that is beneficial for discussion. We imagine that these discussions will usually be based on some sort of text (book, topic, movie, article, poem, painting, dream, mental image, etc.). Moreover, these meetings could be led by anyone and this position should regularly rotate so that a firm hierarchy is avoided. This includes even interested non-believers, as this would be a wonderful time for them to raise questions.
Once a month a “celebration of the faithful.” This connects to the ancient version of the Mass which had two elements, this being one of them. For our purposes it would consist of a shared meal followed by a liturgical celebration that could include scripture or readings from the Church Fathers, worship, private and corporate prayer, and communion. This event would be open to anyone, though the person/people leading this should probably be confessing followers of Christ.
Once a month a fun activity that would both unite the group and be a great opportunity to invite interested people. This could be something like a game night, bowling, wine tasting, anything that would bring people together to share a activity and fellowship.

Okay, these are our thoughts. What we are mainly interested in right now is to see who else is interested. If a few people are we will set up a time to discuss all these issues in more detail. Obviously someone would not need to attend all four meetings a month to be a member, though there should probably be some people committed to coming every week for the group to survive and thrive. In other words, we still want people to feel free to come to just the discussions or just the liturgical celebrations. So please post if you would be interested in taking this leap. We will only go forward on starting an emergent house church if other people make it apparent that they would participate in it.

Nick and Jane

12.02.2007

House Church

During our drive back from hearing Rob Bell speak in Cleveland last night, my brother posed the question to Greg and I: "If we really believe that organized church isn't necessary and there is a 'better' way of doing church, why do we all still go to churches we aren't fully satisfied with?" It was a good question for sure, and one that I've been pondering over for most of the day.

I've been trying to find some resources or conversations online, and haven't come across too much. But one name that came up a few times was Wolgang Simpson, and his 15 Theses. They are posted here and could provide some interesting conversation for our next meeting on December 8th.

Feel free to comment on the 15 Theses either here, or come prepared to the meeting on the 8th to talk about the idea of House Churches.

11.28.2007

December 8th Meeting

It seems that more people have Dec. 8th available, and to keep it easy to remember, we'll meet at 8pm. Everyone and anyone is welcome to our house in Grove City. If you plan to come, send me an email at schroeder.jesse@gmail.com and I'll give you our address and directions.

I'll post a discussion topic soon, or if someone else would like to suggest a topic that'd be great too!

11.25.2007

D. A. Carson

I've recently picked up D. A. Carson's book, "Becoming Conversant with the Emerging Church." It is a very informative read. Carson writes in a very straight-forward manner, not masking anything. I feel like I'm sitting in one of his lecture classes.

Carson attempts to offer a survey of the emergent church movement, although I'm not sure if he focuses too heavily on authors like McLaren, and also lumps some authors such as Kimball into the mix that would separate themselves a bit from emergent (granted this book is about two years old). In his summary, Carson highlights what he feels are the strengths of the movement. However, he also points out what he feels are its greatest weaknesses.

Carson continually returns to what he sees is the Emergent movements blanket condemnation of modernism and everything associated with modernism. He thinks that Emergent is too quick to write off modernism and too quick to jump into postmodernism, which he debates is even an accurate description of the current cultural movement.

Further, Carson seems to isolate the shift of postmodernism to strictly region of epistemology. I'm surprised by this, because by reading and listening to various Emergent thinkers, I find that epistemology is only one area in which a cultural shift is noticed. There are also changes in ecclessiology, missiology, understandings of salvation, and much more. I think Carson ignores a lot of this.

Has anyone else read/listened to any D. A. Carson? If so, what did you think? Any reccomendations for online resources? I know Carson's book, "Becoming Conversant..." was originally presented at Cedarville University as a series of lectures, and as such a response was posted online here.

December Gathering

Hi all you central ohio "emergents" -

It's been over a month I think since we've all hung out, and if we wait until after the holidays, it'll really be a long time!! So I'm suggesting an emergent get-to-getha' sometime before Christmas. Once again, I'll open up my house down in Grove City, which I know might be a little bit of a drive, but I'd love to have you all over.

So here are some suggested dates, and as always, vote for which one fits your schedule best:

- Thurs. Nov. 29 (evening)
- Sat. Dec. 8 (afternoon or evening)


Basically any other Thurs. or Sat. would be best for us, so just let me know!!

- - Jesse

10.03.2007

Mark Driscoll and Emergent Church Criticisms

Hey all -

You may be familiar with Mark Driscoll, this has been my first introduction. The Emergent Village posted a weblog regarding Mark's talk at a Southeastern University Conference. It certainly sparked some thoughts for me. I could only get the actual podcast from iTunes, and it is rather lengthy. However, I think it could be fuel for some interesting discussion, if anyone is interested. Specifically, I would raise questions regarding:

- The value and dangers of theological "conversation" (which Driscoll basically labels as demonic, ala Gen. 3)

- The roles of such emergent leaders as Doug Pagitt, Tony Jones, Rob Bell and of course, Brian McLaren

- The concept of a "timeless" truth but a "timely" message. This seemed to really be the heart of Driscoll's message: We should not (cannot) change the Gospel, but we can change how we communicate it to our immediate culture. However, I can't help but wonder how much our understanding of the Gospel (meaning God, sin, salvation, etc.) has changed over the centuries. If we are in an age when information is disseminated more broadly and rapidly than before, should we be surprised or concerned that theologians are presenting new ways to think of, conceive and understand "orthodox" Christian theology? It seemed to me that Driscoll is primarily trying to preserve orthodox evangelicalism, and he criticizes the emergent church (or revisionists as he says) for changing the terms, opening up to new ideas, and re-envisioning the "old old story." But isn't orthodox evangelicalism something that was a revision to begin with? Even Driscoll refers to the Reformation in his talk. So why should we be surprised that we are continuing to reform our theology?

Those are some of my thoughts. As always, everyone is welcome to chime in.

- Jesse

10.01.2007

Next Meeting Delayed

Well, so far there has been a very limited response in regards to a meeting this week. So I think we should just postpone another meeting for another week or so. If anyone has a strong feeling about a good time, feel free to join in the discussion, otherwise perhaps we will look into the second or third week of October.

Also - I recommend we read this online posting of a chapter from "Soul Graffiti" - I thought the chapter presented good material for discussion of how to really live the life of Christ in our world, and what some of the consequences might be. You can find it here: http://www.soulgraffitibook.com/2007/09/25/chapter-four-experiments-in-truth/

Jesse

9.26.2007

Cohort Meeting #4

So at the last meeting, I offered my house (in Grove City) as the location for the next Emergent Meeting - so I'm taking the initiative to set up a meeting date/time. Here are the options, and as always, vote for what fits your schedule:

- Thurs. Oct. 4th - around 7pm
- Sat. Oct. 6th - possibly in the afternoon, like 4pm; or later like 8pm

Also - to my knowledge there was no topic determined at the end of the last meeting - any suggestions? Preferably if we could read something online, that way we could all access it before the meeting. Or we could watch another movie like we did the last time, which was pretty interesting. One more option: Listening to a podcast and discussing -

Ok America - time to caste your vote.

9.20.2007

Meeting 3

Okay, so let's meet this Friday, the 21st at our place, 1270 Courtland Ave. If you have questions send me an email at johnson.3178@osu.edu

9.15.2007

Next meeting

You guys all sounded interested in checking out the DVD's I have at the next meeting so this youtube clip has a couple clips from some of the different sessions I have.

If any of those look particularly interesting to you then we can watch that. Hopefully it'll generate some good ideas and discussion. Looking forward to this next meeting.

Planning next meeting

Okay everyone, let's vote for our next meeting time: Friday, Sep. 21 or Tuesday Sep. 25. Use the comment below to cast your vote!

9.03.2007

The 7 Jesuses I Have Known

I just finished re-reading the chapter from Brian McLaren's Generous Orthodoxy, and I had a few things to throw out to our cohort (current and future members). The 7th Jesus McLaren discusses comes out of "liberation theology." I had heard, at least vaguely, of the other 6, but this one was completely new to me. Of course I thought it was pretty much crap when I read it, because I handle anything unfamiliar very critically. I had a difficult time picturing Jesus as a universal Ghandi, a spirit transcending history and time, leading the oppressed into freedom. There seemed to be no spiritual element - this Jesus focused purely on the plight of living in this imperfect world. But then I realized that it was mainly this Jesus that McLaren discusses in The Secret Message of Jesus. If you haven't read it yet but are interested in the "Jesus of the Oppressed," I would recommend it. For the first time someone explained to me a possible line or reasoning for why Jesus had to die, and even more to die exactly as he did. I've believed in Christ pretty much my whole life and from time to time I would wonder why the Good News had to be so gory. Couldn't the Messiah just have come, given his message of hope, and then set up camp as the new king of the world? In the latter book I mentioned by him, McLaren presents Jesus as overturning the way humans ran the world - not just on the large-scale, political level, but our need to forcibly manage other people and submit to others only when it benefits us. (At least this is the way I read the book; admittedly it has been awhile.)

This Jesus of the Oppressed fights oppression at any level, even between individuals. I am also reminded of Don Miller's many mentions of his lifeboat theory in Searching for God Knows What. Miller says that after being a Christian for several years he discovered something terrible about himself, that Christ's gift should have freed him from feeling the need to struggle against his fellow man for higher placement (in God's eyes, materially, intellectually, etc.), but that somehow he seemed in this respect to be just like those that hadn't come into a relationship with Christ. He compares it to jumping a sinking ship, finding oneself safe on a lifeboat, but then continuing to fight for placement on that lifeboat, even though it doesn't matter. This metaphor really hit me over the head because I realized that I too had completely failed in this area. We humans seem have a need to feel superior to as many other people as possible. Maybe the reason I knew Christ for so many years and yet continued to treat others in this way was because I thought of him as the one born to die for my sins, giving me admittance into heaven and a personal relationship with God (the 1st of the 7 Jesuses). Maybe if I had learned about Jesus' successful attempt to overthrow the status quo in his life and death I would have spent fewer years trying to shove others out of the boat and taunting those that thrashed in the water...

8.26.2007

Meeting 2

We are going to have our second meeting on Wednesday, September 5th, 2007 at 7:30. Please contact Nick at johnson.3178@osu.edu if you are interested in attending. Everyone is welcome.

8.22.2007

Meeting 1 - Report

We had five people at our first discussion session, and though it was a small group, it went very well. We mainly just spent some time getting to know everyone and talking about our backgrounds and what not. We have a very diverse group! We decided to try and meet every two weeks either on a weeknight or a weekend. In a couple days I will post some possible days and once again we will vote on which day works for the most people. If you are interested in joining us, please contact me at johnson.3178@osu.edu. We would love to have anyone and everyone join our discussion.

For our next meeting we will be discussing, among other things no doubt, the first chapter of McLaren's A Generous Orthodoxy (the chapter about the seven Jesus's - I don't have the book with me right now). So, start reading that and thinking of wonderful things to share.

8.14.2007

We're actually going to meet!

Okay, so we are going to meet on Saturday, August 14th at 8:00 at our house, 1270 Courtland Ave. It will be a mostly informal thing to just get to know people. Please come and bring everyone you know that might be interested in this sort of thing. My email in johnson.3178@osu.edu, so let me know if you would like to attend and I can get you directions and phone numbers and all of that good stuff.