tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17607953.post7923140464615195508..comments2024-02-16T05:21:44.106-05:00Comments on Central Ohio Emergent Cohort: Beliefs. What is an emergent faith?Greghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18424867889611784610noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17607953.post-4256642198968830732011-03-02T22:47:33.173-05:002011-03-02T22:47:33.173-05:00Hey Jenni,
Thanks for responding.
You asked why d...Hey Jenni,<br />Thanks for responding.<br /><br />You asked why does God need to conquer anything if Hell isn't real? I guess my answer would be that there is plenty of evil and pain in this world now for God to conquer. I feel called to spread His love because there is weeping and gnashing of teeth now, people are experience hell on earth now, and whatever happens when they die they need to experience God's grace today. There is enough hell on earth now, that isn't going to just go away on it's own for all those verses about hell to not lose their seriousness or sense of urgency for me.<br /><br />And a question back if after-death some of us are in heaven, and most of us are in eternal torment - then has God really won? Has love won? Would you be able to be really happy in a heavenly afterlife that also included a torture chamber for all your friends who didn't accept Jesus during their lives?<br /><br />Also an aside I recently read this article by Brian McLaren that I thought was pretty interesting about "<a href="http://www.brianmclaren.net/Making%20eschatology%20personal.pdf" rel="nofollow">Making eschatology personal</a>Zack Schroederhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03683922561050379794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17607953.post-83007091085114601652011-03-01T19:56:23.633-05:002011-03-01T19:56:23.633-05:00I know I havent come to the Cohort for a while now...I know I havent come to the Cohort for a while now but I am so intruiged by this post and really enjoyed reading your thoughts Zack. I know there is a lot of confusion and uncertainty around hell and its a lot easier for us to not think about it than to think about it so its good that this discussion is taking place!<br />I had a question in response to something you said Zack. You said you believe that God is love and that love conquers all and thats what you want to focus on. But my question is, if hell isnt real or if it isnt what the Bible describes, why does it need to conquer anything? Why does God need to be love? Why are we even here or feel the need to minister God's love around the world?<br />To me, it confirms that there is absolutely that we're fighting against. I'm not sure if the hell described in the Bible is literal (like an actual lake of fire) but I do believe it exists.<br />Anyway, I kind of rambled. :) I'm excited to hear other's thoughts on this as well!<br />Btw, this is Jenni Kupsky.Jenninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17607953.post-10630513979276946732011-02-22T17:38:34.294-05:002011-02-22T17:38:34.294-05:00Great posts! You've all made my grey matter l...Great posts! You've all made my grey matter light up a little bit. Sometimes that's not easy! <br /><br />I was raised in a very Christian family. There was talk of Heaven but we never talked about Hell. It was a rather unidentifiable place to me, but I thought it existed. Now that I'm an old man, I have come to my current conclusion that Hell is irrelavent. Jesus included everyone at His table. Scripture says that the Kingdom of God is right here. We realize that by our belief in Jesus and by giving our lives to Him. When thinking about Hell the only thing I can think of that would be Hell is not having Jesus. I believed in Him at a very young age so I really don't know what life without him is like. There are so many terrifying events and circumstances in this world that I can't help but believe that without Jesus life would be extremely frightening. It would lead me to doing things out of fear rather than out of faith. Life without God has to be Hell! When we put our faith in God, we know that things will work out in His will. Life might not be easy but it brings us strength instead of fear. <br /><br />Scripture talks about the refiner's fire. Perhaps when we die there is a time of purgation of all of the sins (mistakes) we have made. Our spirits might experience some anguish but we will also know that the purification after is what makes the next stage so blissful. Without the purge we would not be able to appreciate wherever it is that we go. <br /><br />I don't know for sure so I'll keep this idea fluid so that I don't get stuck in concrete thinking. <br /><br />Blessings!<br />Br. CurtAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14371901421411142662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17607953.post-32070997944090590152011-02-20T12:44:25.610-05:002011-02-20T12:44:25.610-05:00I read the article to the right on "Big Tent ...I read the article to the right on "Big Tent Christianity". I really like this quote "Separation is easy. It is far easier to divide over and over again until we form our specialized camps made up of people “just like us.” The work of unity in the face of glaring differences is a much more complicated and arduos task."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02016262936038972493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17607953.post-85923537786877673362011-02-20T12:29:02.981-05:002011-02-20T12:29:02.981-05:00Zack,
I really like your analogy and description o...Zack,<br />I really like your analogy and description of your belief in hell. It is very helpful to me in figuring out how I believe. I don't how to answer your questions. I do think the idea of "truth" has been distorted throughout the modern age (which is one reason I welcome the postmodern way thought). I think "truth" is much more than what is "correct." I think that Modern Christianity is way too preoccupied with getting things "correct", even those things that are really impossible to know due to our lack of first hand knowledge or experience. I find interesting that you don't see the ancient Hebrew writers so preoccupied with things like "heaven" or the afterlife or "hell". They were more concerned with actions, how one lives, how to treat one another, how to connect with an Almighty God. Having lived my life and taught in a modern way of thought, I haven't fully developed a way of thinking of "truth" outside of "correct" or "right". But I keep trying.Adam Newbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16432913187923610014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17607953.post-692650780591565442011-02-16T11:22:22.612-05:002011-02-16T11:22:22.612-05:00Hey Zack - I really like the analogy that you wrot...Hey Zack - I really like the analogy that you wrote. I think it is very helpful in explaining how we hold our beliefs in an open hand. <br /><br />Another point of connection with the analogy is that the sun, the planets and the stars are all millions of miles away. We cannot actually get close enough to see them, draw them, touch and feel them. <br /><br />In the same way things like heaven, hell, miracles, prayer, the afterlife, etc. - these are all "far away" from us, and we have not experienced some of them yet firsthand, so our descriptions are just our best guesses "from far away." <br /><br />Thank you again for this analogy. I'll be thinking about it all day.Jessehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15222273525666828338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17607953.post-50287376737525276322011-02-16T09:04:31.947-05:002011-02-16T09:04:31.947-05:00not really adding to the post here but Nancy thank...not really adding to the post here but Nancy thank you for your prayers. They are much needed right now.Evehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04269534963857212750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17607953.post-14316167287532574602011-02-15T11:58:33.200-05:002011-02-15T11:58:33.200-05:00Thanks for this post Zack. I loved the question “...Thanks for this post Zack. I loved the question “How do you hold your beliefs and convictions with humility, and passion without them becoming bricks?”<br /><br />My own answer to that is I have some beliefs that are actually ‘brick’ like. My beliefs about prayer, loving others, God’s involvement in my life and surrender all drive my actions and attitudes about how I live my life.<br /><br />Alternatively, some beliefs (like Hell) are no longer solid at all. In fact I remain open to thinking more, listening from others and learning more. I liked what you wrote. <br /><br />And there are beliefs I want to hold onto—like Jesus’ miracles. I don’t know if they actually literally happened, but I want to believe they did.<br /><br />So in summary--there are beliefs that have become my solid truths that I live and make decisions out of and there are beliefs that I am open to growing and changing with in the future.<br /><br />This happened because I decided to write down all the things I have believed in the past and then one by one checked in with myself…where am I now on this belief.<br /><br />It was a helpful exercise.<br /><br />Nancy<br /><br />P.S. I have been praying for you and Eve like crazy lately!NancyJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15464008323275837936noreply@blogger.com