tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17607953.post2026089643602933903..comments2024-02-16T05:21:44.106-05:00Comments on Central Ohio Emergent Cohort: Peter Rollins finds just the right way to say it...Greghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18424867889611784610noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17607953.post-54182754381551447232008-12-25T11:11:00.000-05:002008-12-25T11:11:00.000-05:00There are definitely some examples in the second p...There are definitely some examples in the second part of the book, though I don't have it with me to reference here in Missouri.<BR/><BR/>If you want to read the entire interview in context, it can be found here: http://www.wittenburgdoor.com/peter-rollins-interview<BR/><BR/>Adam--thanks for chiming in! Hope you're able to join us sometime!Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18424867889611784610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17607953.post-71424491913218367002008-12-23T14:10:00.000-05:002008-12-23T14:10:00.000-05:00Greg,An intriguing question, although I am not qui...Greg,<BR/><BR/>An intriguing question, although I am not quite sure what Rollins means by this idea. Do you know of any examples of doctrine-as-art at Ikon? I'm assuming there probably are some in the sample services in the second half of How (not) to speak of God, but I don't have the book with me at the moment.Jane Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01924756195309502513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17607953.post-86186589113579812872008-12-23T11:32:00.000-05:002008-12-23T11:32:00.000-05:00I also have to wonder if in several years, this "m...I also have to wonder if in several years, this "most difficult task" won't actually seem that difficult. Perhaps, it will become normative to partake in an "irreligious religion," as Rollins calls it.<BR/><BR/>In an interview with Becky Garrison on The Wittenburg Door, Rollins is asked how he defines church in the 21st century, to which he offers, "I really hope we rediscover the place of parable, of art, of not trying to give people doctrinal answers but rather to evoke questions. In Ikon we are exploring the idea of transformative art, an art form which evokes transformation in the participant."<BR/><BR/>How could our cohort engage in this sort of doctrine-as-art endeavor?Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18424867889611784610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17607953.post-11069197403877928882008-12-22T10:54:00.000-05:002008-12-22T10:54:00.000-05:00Thanks Jane for this quote. I'm excited to have on...Thanks Jane for this quote. I'm excited to have ongoing conversations with the cohort about more of Rollins work. I have found him to be challenging, but also right on in a mysterious way. <BR/><BR/>Regarding this quote, one aspect of finding or creating this "religion without religion" is that is is necessarily ongoing. As soon as you think you have found it, you have lost it. It is a challenging paradox that reminds me of our discussions about institutions. On the one hand some format or structure is needed to facilitate the exploration of a "religionless religion" but if we institutionalize or codify such formats, we have now another religion. <BR/><BR/>So we are always journeying, seeking, delving deeper and being wiling to abandon or even kill that which we now hold to be true, but perhaps later may not for the sake of a more profound truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17607953.post-959585723012858512008-12-22T01:04:00.000-05:002008-12-22T01:04:00.000-05:00That is so true. I find myself in that boat as I a...That is so true. I find myself in that boat as I am currently working as the director of student ministries at a church in powell (www.sawmillcovenantchurch.org).<BR/><BR/>I've seen that in betraying "religion" i seem to find Jesus pretty quickly.<BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work. I wish I could join you guys on Sundays but my Sundays are pretty packed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com